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#1: No icon Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:36 pm
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Over the years of being with the nuke community, I've seen my fair share of code thieves out there that take a system, mind it be a theme, block, module, splash screen, ect..., and claim that they made it and take full credit for it. This is nothing new, but is a problem that needs to be stressed to people, that it's not an excepted practice, and they are a driving factor for a lot of developers to stop wanting to develop for the free and open source stuff that most of you use and enjoy using.

Recently, I came upon a site that is owned by a member of our community, as well as in the Evo community, and I found on their site a system that they are claiming to have rewritten, which looking at it, I can tell that they haven't, but instead, they took the original script, renamed it, made some changes and claimed it as theirs. Both Lonestar and I have seen stuff like this before, and have talked about it, and people want to know why it takes so long for updates to get done, well it's hard to get developers that are willing to do this and not able to protect their work. What this individual has done is what constitutes as plagiarism.

A good quote:
Many technologists lack a clear understanding of what constitutes plagiarism, especially since researching others’ solutions to a technical problem is not only ethical, but also a best practice.

While acknowledging that plagiarism varies wildly from person to person and case to case, here’s how Elli Ferguson, a former programmer and principle systems engineer for a major bank, and plagiarism expert and consultant Jonathan Bailey defined it in an email:

“When you copy someone’s entire solution, or a significant part of it, and present it as your own, that is generally considered plagiarism, as long as there are other ways that solution could be reached.”


I am all for people looking up, using others code, just as long as they give credit if they are using a significant portion of it. I do get upgrading, cleaning up, improving upon others code to make it better. I did/do that myself with many scripts including the original downloads' system that came with Evo Xtreme, (That was the first time I met to Lonestar). If you're just doing some slight changes and fixing things, but the core is still there, (renaming variables/module is NOT changing the core), and if you take full credit for making it and removing the original author, or leaving them out and make the impressions that you are the sole developer, then you are just a thief, no tos, ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Sometimes, mistakes can be made, and accidentally removing credits can happen. I've seen it due to missing code or bad file, but does not happen often. Saying that you wrote a new system to replace an old system, but in reality, you just took the original system and changed a few small things here and there and DID NOT rewrite the module, is just stealing. Look at the Evo Lottery module, I used maybe 1% of the original code, and I think I am being way too generous on that since I only used like 10 lines of the math system for how many random people to remove each wave, but I even give credit for who created the first version.

But, that is why I am not calling out this particular person and their site, because I want to give the benefit of the doubt. They are not the first nor will be the last. It will continue to happen no matter what. I just hope that some of you out there when on some of these sites, if they are claiming to be a developer, and they show off what they did, be skeptical, especially when they seem to be putting out a ton of content in such a short time and looks like stuff already out there. We just hope to see people try to grow and become developers, but, do it with respect to others. Not only are you hurting others, but you're just cheating your self.

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#2: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:02 am
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Okay, on Skype, I was asked by a friend that I have helped a lot on ways that I can determine if the coding was taken without actually seeing the PHP. I will break it down into 3 sections that I can observe and determine if it has been stolen or not. Just know if you're using this to cover your tracks, if you are so desperate to go to the lengths to cover all that I am about to mention up, then just rewrite the damn module, you will already be over 50% there. Also, if you are going to use some code, just give a little credit to the original author.
  1. Design: This is a given. If the look of every page matches the original system, even all the broken sections, usually a huge giveaway. I have seen this with themes and splash screens a lot, but also with modules and block systems. There is more into the design of the coding, but that is below in the next section.

  2. Source Code/Inspection: When viewing someone's site, you can view source and inspect, you can see everything from their CSS, HTML, and jQuery/JavaScript which if it matches up to the original script, is usually a dead ringer. Even if you change names, add a few things and remove a few things, you can still tell, especially how everything is structured. You don't know how many times I have seen systems where they kept in the old "acceptable" ways to code which by today's standards, is only good on a case by case terms.

    For Example:
    Inline styles - Though many people out there that say inline styles are bad and should never be used ever, (had this argument with a few RavenNuke community, (They lost)), there are case by case times when it is acceptable. But most of the time, in some of these older scripts that are out there, it's not one of those "acceptable" times. In many cases, those inline styles should be put into a class as they are used multiple times over several tables on the same page and to clean up the coding, they should be moved to the style file, usually the style.css file for that particular script.

    But seeing the same poor coding across from the original to the "new" version is a dead ringer.

  3. URL in the address bar: Seriously guys, do you know how much information we can obtain from just the URL alone. I honestly think every module thief I have seen has never though about this even though with support, I have said thousands of times over the years, please post the URL for we can obtain a lot of information with just that, not just visiting, but also just looking at the full URL.

    Example: If we take a URL for the News module, it may look like:
    MySite.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8&mode=&order=0&thold=0
     
    Well, first I can see that we of course is in the News module, and it is trying to display an article with the story ID of 8.
    Now, the most common thing I will see from someone stolen module is something like this:
    MySite.com/modules.php?name=New_News&file=article&sid=8&mode=&order=0&thold=0
     
    Seriously guys, what are the odds that you write the system to have not only the same file names, but the same functions and structures to everything. Even changing some variables and the name of the module is not enough.


Now, if you're taking this post and saying, well, I can change all that and people will never know, then you are wrong. Once your code is out there and people that know how to use diff checkers, have an IQ over a potato that do look at the coding, or is generally good at problem-solving, can usually assess that it is stolen or not. Me, I love solving problems, probably more than coming up with the solution. For example, I will see a system that is either broken, old, out dated and needs to be replaced, I like digging through and finding all the files that are affected and possibly coming up with a fix, like the reCAPTCHA. So, more and likely, I would be able to tell

Overall, if you read the OP and then this post and use the information I provide, answer this, why? To cover up all this to hide that you're using this other system and updating it, why not just say, New_News is a heavily modified and revamped module to replace the default News module. What ever work you put into it is going to be respected the same if you wrote it from the ground up or not. Hell, if  you do to the extent to cover up everything I mention, you pretty much are rewriting it anyways, and if that is the case, don't revamp the original, do one better and just rewrite it from the ground up.

I know writing a module from the ground up can be hard or scary, especially to get it started, but I will do a post on how Lonestar and I do it, so others can give it a try. Asking help is definitely helpful. I know Lonestar and I bounce things off each other often so don't think it makes you any less for asking questions.
#3: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: fire,  PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:10 pm
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Unfortunately Corpse this is in almost everything in the online era. People are just to lazy, or lack the knowledge to do it themselves. Have seen several 3d modelers retire or go private only for some of the same reasons. In the long run they are cutting their own throats doing what they do, and most of the time you are right, all would be needed is just simple recognition to the original coder, modeler, whatever. Leave the credits in the code, etc etc. But I think their self-esteem is so low they have to do this to make themselves feel worthy of the air that is allotted them to breathe. Try not to let them get to you, they are not worth it.
#4: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:23 pm
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— fire wrote
Unfortunately Corpse this is in almost everything in the online era. People are just to lazy, or lack the knowledge to do it themselves. Have seen several 3d modelers retire or go private only for some of the same reasons. In the long run they are cutting their own throats doing what they do, and most of the time you are right, all would be needed is just simple recognition to the original coder, modeler, whatever. Leave the credits in the code, etc etc. But I think their self-esteem is so low they have to do this to make themselves feel worthy of the air that is allotted them to breathe. Try not to let them get to you, they are not worth it.


Oh, this is not really personal. I have seen this since the mid 2000s and I have had many times people taking my stuff and claim it as their own, from game mods/skins, to web modules. No, this was because a specific site/person going a bit beyond a single thing. This was more for them to read and hopefully figure out that we know. But also, this was also to make people take a look at the work of others and wounder, if they are doing all this work, yet, never posted anything on the Evo site about it, then why is that. So, that was the reason for the post, more of an educational post.
#5: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: EmeraldDragon, Location: Vancouver, WA PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:07 am
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— fire wrote
Unfortunately Corpse this is in almost everything in the online era. People are just to lazy, or lack the knowledge to do it themselves. Have seen several 3d modelers retire or go private only for some of the same reasons. In the long run they are cutting their own throats doing what they do, and most of the time you are right, all would be needed is just simple recognition to the original coder, modeler, whatever. Leave the credits in the code, etc etc. But I think their self-esteem is so low they have to do this to make themselves feel worthy of the air that is allotted them to breathe. Try not to let them get to you, they are not worth it.


As CoRpSE said, it's not personal. But it does drive Developer (Like: CoRpSE, Lonesatar), Themer (Like: The Mortal, and I) to stop developing FREE contents like EVO, modules and it's Themes for the community.

I have in the past (from a different community) stopped developing Themes because of some similar situations like this. And I think some of my fellows Developer / Themer also stopped developing / theming due to the same situation too.

@CoRpSE - Speaking of accidentally deleting credits. I needs to go back to double check with all my themes that I am working on to make sure that I have not accidentally removed credits where it's due.  big grin I might have done it to some of them, especially part that I am using their codes. hrm
#6: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: fire,  PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2021 6:59 am
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I guess everyone reacts differently in these situations, but I can't really understand how it is not personal. You work hard on developing whatever it might be, and some slug comes by and takes it and claims it. In my experience with others they have taken it very personally, by either stop doing anything for the public at all or making it private and a charge for it. Some don't go that far, but it does affect some what how they continue. So I think even in a small way they take it personally. I just don't care for thieves myself, and that is how I tend to look at ones that do this kind of stuff. They sell their souls for a few minutes of fame or a few bucks. I guess I just don't understand people any longer.
#7: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: EmeraldDragon, Location: Vancouver, WA PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2021 10:20 am
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Yes, everyone react differently. The reason I said it not personal, because (even though, if it was my theme that was stolen with no credit attached) I don't take it as personal against me.

It more of that person going against the community as whole, when they did something like that. He/she abused the trust in the community and the GNU agreement, etc...

Yes, we (as developers, themers) reacts harshly against these individuals. Because we put a lot of time and efforts into developing coding, etc... And to have someone to come and ripped us off just like that, it gets annoyed and irritated.

Everyone has their trademarks™ in coding, so to look at a code ripper and identified them. It's easy most of the time. Not unless they tried to change the codes so much (like CoRpSe said) to hide it from everyone that they stole the codes.
#8: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2021 3:13 pm
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The reason I never really take it personally is that most of the time, they aren't doing it to hurt me, but instead to play a character of a coder. I have come upon many sites where I see these people claiming the work as their own, and they are not even the owner of the site, but just a member that was given the status of Web Developer within their clan. Usually with those people, those are the ones that I will call out on the site since I don't want them messing up everything so much that it hurts the clan.

But, if they are the owners, there is no point in me saying much because I can't post on their site since they will just delete the post, and calling them out on my site or the Evo site won't accomplish anything. What I can do instead is, educate others on what to look for, and feel welcomed to come and ask me if this person or that person is okay. When it comes to coders out there, especially for Evo, Lonestar and I more and likely will know them and tell you if they are okay or not.
#9: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: Beauty, Location: Windsor PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 2:01 pm
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@coRpSE

I know this is an older post now, so apologies for the late reply. I want to firstly say thank you for all you do on our website, I want to say that I am proud to give you credit on our site where credit is due as you work hard for us, and have to put up with me lol!! It is truly sad to see people stealing the credit, and the code on their sites! and you should take it just a bit personal, because it takes days, weeks, months and YEARS to create, and perfect the coding that goes into the sites! So I am sorry if someone has done this to you! I think you should call people out so others will see that they are plagiarizing people's work! Just my two cents!

Beauty
#10: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2021 2:52 pm
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Well, what caused me to come out about this now was not a script that I developed, and actually, is a script that needs to be upgraded. I just went to this persons site and found that they took the same module, altered a few things, and changed the name of the module, but, taking all credit for it, and it's clearly the module that needs to be upgraded, renamed, and some minor changes. So in my opinion, I would say that it is stealing for most of it is unchanged.
#11: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:14 pm
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Okay, a bit of an update. He knows I was talking about him. Hell, he went to an extent to create another account on my site here, why, not sure. No real reason to have a second account and use both of them. (Your IP gave you away).

Let's address the comments he made in his post on his site. Okay, some points were brought up in a rant of his where were a bit false and as he said, if you're going to claim something, do a bit of homework. (Using your own words here).

First comment before the insults starts directed towards, (well I am betting, me), is stating, and I am going to paraphrase a bit, (if you modify anything, its no longer the original authors.). Well, if you have been around as long as you claim, then you know right there you are full of it. You can not take a persons work, change 1 word and say it's yours. The GNU does not cover that, and under US copyright law, is illegal. Now, before I get into which law it is, and I will get you that in 1 sec, I know you are going to argue, by just putting a © next to your domain at the bottom of the script, or within the top of the code doesn't make it a legal copyright, that is where you are wrong.

Even if you don’t put that little © on your work, you automatically get copyright protection the instant your work of expression becomes fixed in a tangible medium. Theoretically, this means that you own the copyright, and no one may copy, distribute, display or make adaptations of the work without your permission. Now, would it hold up in court, that is where it will be iffy. It would have to be up to the one that you infringed upon to file a lawsuit and would need to convince the judge to order the other party to stop the infringement and possibly pay a compensation for any losses if, said item was a sellable item.

Now, some people may say, "well that is only for tangible medium, well script aren't a tangible medium.", well, if you think this, you would be wrong.

Regardless of whether or not you can touch the copyrighted work, if it is stored in some permanent (or even semi-permanent) medium that enables copying, accessing or transmission of the work by others, it is considered to be fixed into a tangible medium.

This means that the law that was written for books and tapes just as easily applies to the internet and computers. After all, saving a work to a hard drive (either your own or one in the cloud) clearly meets these standards for tangibility.

That, in turn, is one of the really good things about The Copyright Act of 1976, it was written to be technology neutral. This means that the act is able to function more than 40 years after it was written and after what is quite possibly the biggest technological revolution in history.

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Next part you say if you don't sign your full legal name to your work, then it's not copyrighted, and, again, this is not fully correct. If you are the developer and go spend around $55 to file the copyright for each script, then, yes, you would need to use your full legal name, and no matter what, the courts would side with you unless you are the one that stole and tried copyrighting it your self fraudulently, which it looks like you can be fined no more than $2,500.

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(d) Fraudulent Removal of Copyright Notice.—Any person who, with fraudulent intent, removes or alters any notice of copyright appearing on a copy of a copyrighted work shall be fined not more than $2,500.

(e) False Representation.—Any person who knowingly makes a false representation of a material fact in the application for copyright registration provided for by section 409, or in any written statement filed in connection with the application, shall be fined not more than $2,500.


Even under the GNU, it states:
Under the Berne Convention, everything written is automatically copyrighted from whenever it is put in fixed form. So you don't have to do anything to “get” the copyright on what you write—as long as nobody else can claim to own your work.

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So, in a sense, under the GNU, it forces those copyright laws to be upheld, well, depending on what country your in. Copyrighting it under your legal name, you only need to do that when you file for the copyright if you decide to. Otherwise, you can still copyright to your site/nick, for once it's a tangible item, you are automatically covered by the copyright laws. Yes, you can even go further and copyright your site, which, if you do this, it will last the lifetime of the person that copyrighted it, and it's content, (Original content only), +70 years. Now, that will provide you with more options and protection, but, most sites, if they do go this route, they only copyright certain areas of their site and not their whole site due to things like forums, blocks, posts, images, ect... being added that they do not own the rights to.

Now, lets talk about more of the GNU and what you said about it. I'm adding in paraphrased statements of his for those that didn't read his post, so they know what I am talking about. You said under the GNU, it allows you to modify the files, and I agree, yes, you can modify a system, (I never said you couldn't). You mention that you can sell the system if you wanted to, I agree, yes, you can sell the system if you wanted on your site, (I never even mentioned that, so I don't know why you brought it up. I guess you just needed more to prove nothing.). However, nowhere in the GNU, version 2 or version 3 does it say, you change one line, it's automatically yours. Nowhere in the GNU does it allow you to remove one's copyrights and substitute it as your own, in actuality, it's quite opposite.

There was once a discussion on this over on RavenNuke site, maybe it was ClanThemes, anyway, it was many years ago, probably around 2006, where it was brought up, what constitutes enough of the coding that has to be change before you can claim it as new work, and since there is NO defined amount, consensus was about 85% if I remember right. But, it was also determined that no matter what, it wasn't a good idea or good practice to remove the previous credits and replace them with your own, or claim the system was rewritten, (when it wasn't), by you.

Now, I did notice that you updated your original post that prompted this thread. I see that it now shows where all the scripts are modified from, which did actually break GNU. Section 5, part a, at first:
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The work must carry prominent notices stating that you modified it, and giving a relevant date.

And subsequently,
section 7, part b,
[you may require] ... preservation of specified reasonable legal notices or author attributions in that material or in the Appropriate Legal Notices displayed by works containing it


Overall, putting it on your site and not redistributing it is 100% fine, but, if you're trying to redistribute it with the copyrights removed, well, that's not allowed if you want to be technical by copyright and GNU.

What it comes down to, you talk a lot about being around for a long time, having so much work done, being part of this community, yet, can we see one of these such scripts that you wrote from the ground up, using modern coding? Everything I have seen from you is simple stuff, and all edits of other peoples work. Some of that stuff I did 10+ years ago when I was still with ClanThemes, so I know how it's done and what is needed to integrate things like Facebook. Do I think it's bad to modify or upgrade others work, absolutely not, but, taking credit for it, that is a problem.

What you're trying to accomplish with your site, that's fine, I never once said it was bad for someone to do what you're trying to accomplish, what I am calling out is the manner that you are doing it and if you have been around for as long as you claim you have been, you would know this to be true as well. RavenNuke, PHPNUKE, Evo, and other communities alike, all operated under basically everything that I have claimed, and you should know this.

I also can tell that I struck a nerve because in my post, I have not insulted you once, yet your post, well, you know, I don't even need to say. For someone that says they are old enough to be my grandfather, you sure aren't showing the level of maturity that would go along with that. I also am citing copyright laws and GNU disproving your whole argument, maybe you should take your own advice since you just cited opinions, and shared no references.

ExpandThreatening is a low that you shouldn't go to, but you did. And even in that, it has some issues. First, suing anyone, well, that happens every day, even for the most mundane thing. You also don't decide if you're going to win, the judge does. Now, one major issue that would be a factor that goes against that plan is that said person may have had this domain for a decade, so, proving that it was maliciously done infringing on your trademark would be difficult to do since your trademark would be new, and the domain, well, is established. Next, posting said threats on your site and me grabbing full screen captures in PDF format, well, that would also not benefit the lawsuit. Overall, it's not worth it, and I am sure any lawyer would tell you the same. Just drop it, for I still have not gone public with it and only you, me, and Lonestar know what parties are involved, and until you can cite the laws that validate what you claim, it will remain what I just proved, with sources.

[ EDIT ] - Since they decided to go public over on the Evo Xite, the cats out of the bag, so to say. The comment I am responding to is in this PDF. I am not going to link to this guys site for I still don't want to advertise or promote traffic to his site.
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#12: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: dirtdog, Location: Indiana PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:57 pm
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What I find amusing about that dude is how he was (when I first ran into that site over there, not sure if he changed it since) appearing to owning/rights to nukescripts/nukesentinel which Bob Marion turned over to Raven in what 2011?

If anyone wants to mod/change/fork whatever that is released under GPL they have the right to do just that and they have every right to release the changes they made. stripping the previous copyrights however is not ok.

I been trying to hack around nukesentinel and nuke/evo in general to add IPv6 capability. (actually need to get back working on it) but I sure as hell wouldn't be trying to claim I wrote the entire thing like he is over there. I could care less if I was credited for it if I do manage to get it to work 100% its just something I see as a problem and should have been done a decade ago.

You and lonestar are in the right on all this.
#13: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:27 pm
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— dirtdog wrote
What I find amusing about that dude is how he was (when I first ran into that site over there, not sure if he changed it since) appearing to owning/rights to nukescripts/nukesentinel which Bob Marion turned over to Raven in what 2011?


I do remember them doing this. I really don't know what's with them.
Really, they should just look at the facts and just undo what they did and just take the loss, it sometimes hurts, but when you're in the wrong, no point in making it worse by digging the hole deeper. Screaming louder and stomping feet don't change the facts.
#14: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: dirtdog, Location: Indiana PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:08 pm
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— coRpSE wrote
— dirtdog wrote
What I find amusing about that dude is how he was (when I first ran into that site over there, not sure if he changed it since) appearing to owning/rights to nukescripts/nukesentinel which Bob Marion turned over to Raven in what 2011?


I do remember them doing this. I really don't know what's with them.
Really, they should just look at the facts and just undo what they did and just take the loss, it sometimes hurts, but when you're in the wrong, no point in making it worse by digging the hole deeper. Screaming louder and stomping feet don't change the facts.


sadly some are incapable of admitting they are wrong and just keep doubling down.
#15: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: Lonestar,  PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:30 am
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I am not sure you remember coRpSE but even before we both started working on Xtreme, This kind of thing, People coming in and stirring the shit pot, happens 2 - 3 times a year, and almost always involves Josh AKA Bayler comes around interfering in matters that don't concern them, Bayler made it quite clear.

If we collaborated with him on a new version of xtreme, He wanted it licensed and encrypted, This was to prevent people stealing other works, Which as you can see his supposed cousin seems to be fine with, He has no principles when it comes to other peoples work, tbh I am quite sick of having to deal with these idiots, It is shit like this that makes me want to walk away and just concentrate on WordPress, But then I remember the handful of people that like to still use Nuke, as some of the new CMS/platforms out there can be quite intimidating to some people, This is why I stick around, and coding is something I have always enjoyed doing, My coding evolves every few months, I am sure coRpSE can attest to this fact lol.

Anyway I am done talking to these idiots, When they are finished their rant, the posts will be moved to a new forum, locked and kept for future reference.

Even after all their crap they spout they have still yet to supply any links/images to show this new super CMS they call EE, The only EE CMS I have heard of and looked at is "Expression Engine" but this is not Bayler/Josh.
#16: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:00 am
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I remember. When I was still with Clan Themes, I remember Killigan, (I think it was), annoyed and set a private spot for Bayler. I personally never got involved with anything except with what was going on ClanThemes, since that is where I did all my support. But that is where I met Bayler, and he got me to use Evo. At the time I met him, I had just switched my site from PhpNuke to RavenNuke after my site got hack through vWar module. My biggest grip with RavenNuke was how slow it was to move blocks and what not around. They refused to upgrade their site to use Ajax/jQuery and felt, by doing that, would just ruin the integrity of the CMS.

Overall, I do agree with a lot of what he says on the fact to only real way to protect the source is to encrypt, but, there's a problem with that. You do that, it is no longer OS, now is it. Without almost a full rewrite of the whole system, or without direct permissions from the original authors, I believe that would be breaking the laws, even though I doubt those original authors involved would do anything or really care. But, I am not one to also run around my town jaywalking everywhere for eventually, you may just find one pissed off cop having a bad day, (Yes, I have found that cop before.).

Ah, so many stories, not enough time to post them. Also, I don't think someone would really want to read a book on it. I do have some real doozies of "Stupid Shit, people have done", when installing something, like a module, block, mod, the CMS, or a theme. Just a ton of head scratchers trying to figure out if they followed the instructions, how did they get where they are now. There were a few I became friends with where I banned them from doing any more mods to their site and if they wanted anything, just ask me and I would do it. Yes, they were that bad.
#17: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: EmeraldDragon, Location: Vancouver, WA PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:03 am
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— Lonestar wrote
It is shit like this that makes me want to walk away and just concentrate on WordPress, But then I remember the handful of people that like to still use Nuke, as some of the new CMS/platforms out there can be quite intimidating to some people, This is why I stick around, and coding is something I have always enjoyed doing, My coding evolves every few months, I am sure coRpSE can attest to this fact lol.


Lonestar, I know it is tough but please don't walk away. And I am pretty sure you won't because of this. I, myself, have looked (using it on two of my subsites) into WordPress and am using it as user. For someone who is knowledgeable in HTML and some coding. I, myself, am even feels intimated and confused.
#18: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: EmeraldDragon, Location: Vancouver, WA PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:08 am
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— coRpSE wrote
Overall, I do agree with a lot of what he says on the fact to only real way to protect the source is to encrypt, but, there's a problem with that.

If I remembered it right, I think there is a way to protect without having to encrypt. I don't remember where I saw that from, it had been a long while since I saw it. But I am not sure.
#19: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:10 am
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I love how every time I get into a debate over the legality of changing the copyrights and what not, every time I ask for proof, all they do is give me a link to the GNU terms, but, can't specify any part, section, or subsection of the GNU or copyright that backs up their claims, and when I post my links, with sections and subsections, the conversation ends. Please, if you're going to say you in your rights, and let me say it in a way that seems these people can only understand, prove it or shut the fuck up.  I can prove my end of the debate, which is on fact, and thus far, yours is only base on opinion and ignorance.

— EmeraldDragon wrote
If I remembered it right, I think there is a way to protect without having to encrypt. I don't remember where I saw that from, it had been a long while since I saw it. But I am not sure.


The only way I know of is using something like ioncube, which is an encryption software. I used them a while ago when I made the ShadowGate mod. If there is another way, I love to learn about it, because I really do not want to pay the price of ioncube if I don't have to of if there is a better alternative. zwinkern
#20: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: EmeraldDragon, Location: Vancouver, WA PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:19 am
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— coRpSE wrote
The only way I know of is using something like ioncube, which is an encryption software. I used them a while ago when I made the ShadowGate mod. If there is another way, I love to learn about it, because I really do not want to pay the price of ioncube if I don't have to of if there is a better alternative. zwinkern

True to that..  roll smilie If I ever run across it again, and it's FREE I'll be sure to send it your way.   roll smilie
#21: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: [HSX]coRpSE, Location: Back of your mind!!! PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:35 pm
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— EmeraldDragon wrote
— coRpSE wrote
The only way I know of is using something like ioncube, which is an encryption software. I used them a while ago when I made the ShadowGate mod. If there is another way, I love to learn about it, because I really do not want to pay the price of ioncube if I don't have to of if there is a better alternative. zwinkern

True to that..  roll smilie If I ever run across it again, and it's FREE I'll be sure to send it your way.   roll smilie


You know, Now that I think about it, what you might have seen is a code obfuscator. Granted, for those that don't know much about code and coding, that could work, but, if that was what your thinking about, anyone that knows a bit about coding, can actually get past it relatively easily. But it is a way to protect your coding a little, though I know some will disagree, (have had debates with them before on obfuscation of code).
#22: No icon Re: Stealing Credit : The plague of coding Author: EmeraldDragon, Location: Vancouver, WA PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:06 am
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— coRpSE wrote
— EmeraldDragon wrote
— coRpSE wrote
The only way I know of is using something like ioncube, which is an encryption software. I used them a while ago when I made the ShadowGate mod. If there is another way, I love to learn about it, because I really do not want to pay the price of ioncube if I don't have to of if there is a better alternative. zwinkern

True to that..  roll smilie If I ever run across it again, and it's FREE I'll be sure to send it your way.   roll smilie


You know, Now that I think about it, what you might have seen is a code obfuscator. Granted, for those that don't know much about code and coding, that could work, but, if that was what your thinking about, anyone that knows a bit about coding, can actually get past it relatively easily. But it is a way to protect your coding a little, though I know some will disagree, (have had debates with them before on obfuscation of code).


Not sure if it was the same thing, but it could be. It has been a while since I ran across it. I was doing some coding a while back and was seaching for some thing and it came up. I just don't remembered the name of it. LOL!
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